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The podcast where we sip and spill. Welcome, welcome. Welcome to this episode of Tea With Kea. So happy to have you listening today. I have someone very very special with me today. Go ahead and introduce yourself to the people.
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Thank you Keandra. My name is JoJo. I’m a third year medical student. But most importantly, I’m a friend of Keandra and a guest on tea with ki best believe. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, I
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appreciate you so much. Didn’t you say you literally just got out of clinic?
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I did. I did just get out of clinic. I’m on my pediatric rotation. So I saw a lot of babies, a lot
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of adolescents and that is why I like I said when I reached out to you and you said that you want it to be on the show. I was so so excited. But before we dive into the meat and potatoes of what we’re going to talk about, yeah, how do we sip and we spell so let me tell ya what I ship ship ships. On to moooi Okay, so I got me a piping hot cup of Tomer ginger tea and let me tell ya, let me go ahead to take you take a sip, right, right now I never I never actually, you know, get get it on and poppin it’s upset. Oh, man, I put some honey in it too. Oh, is is is the moon. And also it’s caffeine free because we’ll talk Latakia is getting closer to my bedtime right now. Not gonna lie. But Joe Joe out in Cali three hours behind. You know how we do. San Fran, as I say San Fran in the building. But I can’t say that because you’re not from San Fran because you’re from Do you consider Okay, so like when you start where you’re from? Do you just say like Africa Mesa? Or do you say Orange County or you just say like California or what?
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You know, it’s all dependent on where I’m at. So when I was in high school, very you know, local regional it. I’m from Costa Mesa. But then when I went to college in the northeast was very much so Southern California. And now now I see Orange County. I think that’s a meta halfway point. I guess.
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I feel that I feel that um, well. Are you sipping on anything tonight? Or would you watch it? No. And I know you said you love cleaning. But what are you up to? Now
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I am you know, unwinding, taking care of myself and preparing for the next day. And what am I? Well, I’m sipping on you’re sipping on some piping hot tea while I’m sipping on some ice cold coffee.
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When I have people on the show, I’d like to give my listeners you know, a little bit of a look inside or on how I got to, you know, know people. So I want to ask you,
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do you remember the first time that we met? I’m trying to think of the first time we met? Do we meet the first time at our PCC dining hall? I don’t know if it was the first
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time but I just know because you were living with someone and your roommate had a friend who also lived in my dorm. And we were the same major at the time. And that’s how we link and it’s interesting, because you know, it’s 2020 and you were one of the first friends that I made at Cornell freshman year, first semester, and we still kicking it fan.
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I know that’s like a dream come true. I think a lot of people go to college, and they think about their friends they made in the first semester and how that’s kind of dropped really by like the end of the second semester. But, you know, I was lucky and blessed to have a good solid group of friends I made during the first week of school till now. And we live on different coasts like crazy.
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Exactly. Well, that’s the thing, too. I mean, even when I was abroad, five hour difference. We were still chatting. We still got the group chat, we still do our little, you know, video calls and whatnot. And yeah, you know, it’ll be later for us here. But hey, what can I say you’re worth staying up for?
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I mean, it’s amazing. And I think a lot of times even with like long distance, long distance friendships, people always kind of bring up the phrase. Well, you know, it’s not about whether you’re in your lives all the time, but when you link back up, it feels like you never left. But despite despite the physical distance, there’s a message from one of us, like at least 10 times a day.
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Oh, yes, most definitely. And I would like to say I if I had to, like say who I would say we’re Shay because sometimes like I see things on Twitter and I you know, elk UTM but I’m gonna share it when we’re Shay is the one like she will be like, I saw this on Twitter, or she’ll be like, hey, do you guys wonder about or Hey, my job. And I’m like, Oh, yeah, did you know so math facts, math facts, all the facts, all the facts and can we just please like revisit last year when we all came to San Fran for your birthday, and all of our skin was glowing and it was just a and getting to meet your other friends in medical school. That was really Really, that was a one at a time. It was amazing.
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I think when you’re when like to, you know, friends from different time points in your life can come together and it’s it’s, you know, it gels so easily. I think it just speaks to the group of people I chose to be in my life.
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Yes, indeedy. Yes, indeedy. Sure, well, JoJo, we know why we are here virtually together today. My first question to you is how is your experience as a black man and a predominantly white field been in regards to your learning experiences in the classroom or virtual classrooms? as well as actually being in clinic?
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Yeah, that’s a good question. And I can like really ramble on about different, you know, what it’s like to be a black man and the different facets of medical school, you know, being a black man in a predominantly white area, or just being a minority in general is like nothing new. I grew up in Orange County, and then I went to, you know, an Ivy League school in the northeast. But I think what I’ve experienced in medical school is that it’s an entirely new feeling, when you’re, you’re kind of a minority in the career you went to, like you aspire to be in, especially in a field that is trying its best to actively talk about racial disparities. It’s like that feeling. It’s almost like that feeling when you’re in high school, and you’re talking about slavery. And to look at you because you’re black, and I don’t know, it’s, it’s weird to hear all these conversations are something weird, but it’s different to hear these conversations about black people, and kind of at a grand or a societal level, but you’re just kind of the individual sitting there. And I feel like there’s the added weight of like, not only being a medical student, which is tough in it, of it in itself, because it also be a black medical student. And to feel like there’s so many people and so many patients out there that are hurting due to the racial inequities and disparities that exist within our country. And then there’s also this added pressure to create the path for those after you. And a lot of my friends and I have spent so much so much time on behalf of our university, and, um, you know, on behalf of ourselves, I guess, to kind of create that pipeline and really build a strong steady pipeline of undergraduate and event high school students to go to medical school, if that’s what they want to do. And so I look back, and I think, I think about, you know, all the work, I spent, you know, kind of looking behind and looking about my path to medical school and ensuring you know, that it’s a little bit easier for the generation after me that sometimes I forget to Like, look forward almost. And to focus on my own career and focus on what interests me, I can’t specialize and mentorship. I specialize within a field. And I send the kind of the past year kind of focusing more on, you know, my interests, and I realized that time is really limited in medical school. So I think just being a black man, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of different roles you hold, in addition to just being a medical student. But to summarize, I feel like those weights are one being a medical student, to you know, ensuring forging a path for the generations that come after you and three, feeling like you know, you’re you’re expected to be an expert in racial disparities to really educate your classmates. And, you know, a lot of physicians who are weren’t taught this in school or medical school cannot look to you, and sometimes you just don’t have the answers. And you’re like, I’m just trying to live my life. That’s, that’s, that’s facts.
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I think you brought up a lot of good points that are definitely relatable. I mean, the last one, specifically, as far as you know, when we are looked at as people of color to have all of the answers when it comes to why we are being faced with such oppression and why our people are suffering due to the racial inequalities that do exist. I think it’s very disheartening, because yes, we should, we should hold the expectations for everyone to understand, hey, what what you see in a patient is or what you see, and like a certain group of people, if you see if you see a problem, you should yourself, take the initiative to look into it and not just turn to the only black person that is in the room. You shouldn’t have to have that weight on your shoulders. It’s definitely not fair to you, because you’re not only facing this oppression, but also having to explain it at the same time, when, of course, you’re working underneath people who have been in the field much, much longer and have had several opportunities. They’re always opportunities to learn about what problems exist and being able to on their own say, Hey, this is an issue. We need to we need to take action and It’s interesting, I think that I think you really hit home when you said, you know, you can’t specialize in mentorship, but you know, it’s, it’s, it’s like you do want to help, the next generation is going to be better off. But yes, at the same time you as an individual are in medical school, your name is going to eventually be on that degree, you are going to be a medical doctor. But at the same time, I do think it’s, it’s admirable. And also, I feel like it’s something that is necessary to have that moral component of being able to look at, you know, the younger generation, not necessarily like younger in terms of like, you know, m one or m two. But, you know, people like you said, who, you know, are in high school, or maybe they are an undergrad who are looking to pursue, you know, a career within the medical field. But, you know, I think I think we can all appreciate the fact that you are trying to balance that, because it shows that you not only care about what you want to do and your impact in the medical field, but also being able to see other people of color and knowing that we were not always given the opportunity to be you know, in, in such a fortunate places we are, you know, it’s kind of scary.
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I know, I always think about, you know, black people have been in this country, you know, pretty much since inception. And I think it’s so intimidating to look at the people in your career in your field, and you don’t see that. And I think sometimes that’s almost forgotten, because when we talk about, you know, the the diversity in this country, you know, we think of you know, a lot of people immigrating to the United States, it’s a melting pot, or su s melting pot outdated? Yeah, I think so. I know, I guess like, sometimes people view the melting pot as like a like a simulation, and rather than like, you know, multiculturalism? Oh, yeah. That’s a whole nother conversation. Yeah. So. But I think, you know, when we think about the diversity of America, a lot of times we think about immigrants, you know, my parents included their immigrants and, you know, to this country, and a lot of times, you know, people can make that assumption. Well, this wrong assumption, let me clarify this one exception? Well, you know, there’s not a lot of people in the field, because, you know, they’ve, they’ve just moved to this country. But, you know, black people, black American descendants of slavery institution have been here since the beginning. And I think that is just very, very disturbing. It is, it is,
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it is definitely a factor that unfortunately, people are not recognizing still has lasting impacts today, you know, we were never given an equal chance, we are still not given equal chances, we may in terms of the law on paper, quote, unquote, be free. But we are not given the same freedoms when it comes to and this is just one case, you know, when we’re talking about, we’re talking about the medical field health care professionals. And I want to go back to another point you said, which, if you don’t mind me asking, I kind of want to dive into a little bit. So when you were talking about when you have patients that come in, who are people of color, and in cases where you know, that their suffering is an effect of the racial disparities that do exist? How do you carry yourself in clinic knowing these things? And how do you after you see your patients? How do you process or or what what actions do you take in terms of whether it be talking to your, your colleagues, your the people that you have to report to? Or? Or do you talk to, you know, the Do you talk to the clients directly, or I kind of want to kind of want to get into your head when
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I enter, you know, the exam room. And I see a black person or person of color, most of the time is instantaneous connection that we kind of have for each other. And in my dialogue, I think I give a lot of space, you know, for my patients just express what their priority or their concerns are. And we can build this silent trust amongst each other. And I think that’s a privilege that I have been able to connect with my patients, you know, that looked like me. And it’s funny, like, when I look back, I think about, you know, my first clinical encounters I had or the first time I transition from the classroom to the clinic, you know, I was kind of lacking in clinical knowledge of all the different diseases and the treatment and management processes. But one thing I didn’t know just to experience of life is just really prioritizing your patient and just seeing what, what they want. And it’s as simple as saying, you know, what are your priorities for this visit and oftentimes a lot of the stress and pains that people are doing With are directly tied to, I guess, a medical condition, although it can be but and kind of an outpatient clinic, you know, there’s a lot of stressors that are directly linked to their health that are due to their income, their housing, their family, a lot of things that are history as a country kind of determined. And so I think back to this one time, where I walked into a patient with this, walk into a room with just one patient who is there for just a blood pressure check. And if I was focused on their blood pressure, I would have just went in measure blood pressure, you know, asked what her diet and exercise regimen would be, you know, based off just based off kind of like the book based on what we learned the textbooks. Yeah. But I think, you know, when I asked her, like, what are your concerns, she’s like, I’m dealing with a lot of stress. She wasn’t saying I’m dealing with a lot of hypertension, she was saying, I’m dealing with a lot of stress. And she went on to tell us to tell me and my colleague about how she received a new landlord who raised the rent and was essentially just gentrifying neighborhood and remove your parking spot that was right outside, right outside her apartment. And keep in mind, she was really physically limited and needed that parking spot, but it was cut down that parking spot and had to park a block down rendering it just kind of inaccessible, because it was inaccessible, she had a parking ticket for leaving it there for multiple days, and was just piling on these fees, because she was physically not able to, you know, reach that car. And this was leading to a lot of stress in her life, a lot of headaches. And you could just see just within this clinical visit, the amount of stress she was feeling, and I think giving you the space to just speak and explain what her priorities are, I think it really just spoke to how many problems that you know, doctors can’t really treat within the clinic. But I think Luckily, we’re in a, we’re in a space in this country where our careers like really revered, and we’re kind of granted like space and on these sectors and different spheres that, you know, we may not even be experts in. But to provide kind of healthcare perspective, I think, I think we kind of owe if we care if we truly care about the health of our patients, like advocacy is so important. And I think kind of siloing in focusing in on the end result of the stressors, the hypertension, and not focusing on the root of the problem is I can go anytime soon. And I actually I take that back where I said there’s not much, you know, we can do other than advocacy, I think there’s very direct, direct direct actions that I’ve learned along the way that you can take to really advocate for your patients, the powers of the doctor’s note thing of how many times in life where a doctor’s note, you know, it was this trust about how you’re so nervous to get a doctor’s note. And then in the end, you just get a little slip of paper with a signature. And it’s kind of like, you know, no questions asked.
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Exactly, exactly. So if you need to be absent at an obligation or work or whatever it may be prioritizing your health, because as we all know, if you don’t have your health, then what do you have?
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That? It’s kind of sad, sorry. And just to get you off on another tangent, you know, I think a lot of times people’s anger or frustration is really misinterpreted. I think you know, the most oppressed, most marginalized people have very little space for stress in their lives. And sometimes I see whether with staff or whoever that is, you know, anger, frustration is taken very personally, sometimes it’s hard to empathize for people’s frustration, if they don’t know the reason. And so my kind of approach to things is, there’s always a reason, there’s always a reason for someone to feel the way they feel, whether I’m aware of it or not.
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I think the example that you gave was definitely something that like, I feel like when you when you say that you want to be able to understand the root of problems and not the end problems. That’s definitely key people are seeking professional help because of whatever their health condition is there there is there is a cause they want help. But also we need to look at the factors that are not only affecting us physically, but socially as well. And of course, that could be a conversation that we dedicate a whole not even episode but podcast, podcasts on podcasts about the knowledge that you have about this, like you said, when you’re you know, talking to people who are looking into pursuing the medical field, being able to also share the knowledge that you have, so that when we are having these conversations with the future doctors as yourself that you know we’re talking about this, but let’s let’s let’s kind of transition so I know that you definitely are an AE one mentor. I know you I’ve known you for undergrad, I’ve seen what you’ve been doing in medical school. I’ve listened to you talk about the progress you’ve made. But let’s talk about the people that are helping you along the way. I want to talk about mentors. First of all, do you have a mentor or more than one mentor and how did you go about finding a mentor or Did they seek you out?
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I want to know.
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So I think the best mentor is having multiple mentors. And I’m not saying, you know, hit up everyone in their Mama, but I think understanding that you can never get everything you need from one person. And sometimes it’s about it sometimes it’s about asking people, you know, who’s a great mentor, if that makes sense? Who was your mentor or Yeah, who’s a great person to reach out to if you’re interested in X y&z and it’s funny, you can mentor people for so many years without really trying to actively find your own mentor. But one thing I’ve definitely learned in medical school is that the best mentor is multiple mentors and someone that you can build trust within, you know, there’s different forums and advice they can get from advisors. Correct. But it’s one thing to get mentorship from someone who’s invested in your success, someone who cares about your life and how you’re doing that week. I think I think having someone you can trust someone that you can approach in an unfiltered manner, someone that you can, someone that you can like figure things out with along the way, I definitely think it’s important to have mentors that look like you that understand what you’re going through. One thing I learned in medical school is when you’re looking for mentors, don’t limit yourself on if they’re the same race as you, especially if you’re entering a field and career where there’s not that many people that look like you to begin with. So being open to the mentors. I mean, as you said, the best mentor is many mentors. So being able to talk to people who,
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yes, at the end of the day, you share the common interest of being a medical professional, but who take up different spaces.
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Right? I think that’s Jeff, having having some mentors is better than having no mentors.
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Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. You know, it’s like, obviously, you got your textbooks, you have the internet, you have, you know, clinic time you have all of that, but also being able to talk one on one with people who have been in the game for so long, especially in a field that’s always changing, seeing where we were seeing where we are now and seeing we’re going into the future. I mean, hey, the knowledge that you know, one person has in their head could take you so far, and being able to just have those conversations. It’s priceless. You know,
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I know. And you know, and if I could give advice, actually, when reaching out for a mentor, have that initial conversation, but afterwards be very forthright with when he mentorship asking someone to be a mentor really sets the expectations and you know, kind of is the branch the starting point of a new relationship, if that makes sense to you. If you really want mentorship from this, someone that I think it’s important for them to understand that this is just like a one time conversation, I think it’s very important to be being very blunt and asking them to be your mentor. In those words. I think there’s a difference between meeting meeting up with someone for advice, which is usually how we initially contact people. But I think after we make you know, I’m interested in x goal, you know, will you be my mentor and helped me reach that goal, I think really, you know, really kind of sets the tone and allows for that relationship to really grow?
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Most definitely. I mean, I think you You said it best when you were saying that a mentor being someone that actually cares about your success. So yes, not just like a one time, Hey, I got a question didn’t feel like going to Google or couldn’t find the answer. But being able to actually have those ongoing conversations, because you know, this, this is going to be your life, okay, you are a medical student, but you know, you’re gonna, you know, have your residency, being able to talk to someone who is going to be with you, either physically or virtually, and be able to see you grow and to the doctor that you will come to be being able to have those sit downs and say I care about what your future looks like. And I want to help you get to where you need to be, or even in cases where I’m sure there are people in medical school who they know they want to be a doctor, but they don’t know exactly what you know, they want to do. So being able to also talk to them about the opportunities that they have, and just just really being with you along this path. Because this this is this is what you’re going to do. This is what you’re putting your heart into what you’re putting your life into what you’re gonna do every day focusing on you know, exactly being able to talk to someone who truly understand that. So this is something that kind of sparked my interest when you know, we were originally talking, you know, you called me and you were like, Hey, you know, tea was key. And I think in a world where the internet is so accessible. We have all these platforms. I kind of want to talk about what your take is on people in the medical field using social media as a platform to showcase community, engaging Is it in? Is it encouraged that you you take a stance on your health issues on social media? What is the expectation of healthcare professionals in their engagement with people in regards to social media? Are they encouraged to take a stance? Is it frowned upon? Are they supposed to give guidance within the boundaries of you know, their practice? Or, or what’s that look
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like? I know, it’s funny that you asked, in the first two years of medical school, we got a lecture on you know, quote, unquote, professionalism, and how to engage in social media. And a lot of it, it’s kind of centered around, a lot of it was kind of centered around, you know, how your posts you know, are accessible to patient and how the pictures you post in the opinions you make may reflect your employer. But it’s kind of funny, because in the following year, I’m in my third year now, there was this huge influx of medical students, residents, health care providers in general on social media, really taking their thoughts and their opinions to Twitter, almost kind of setting this new norm of, you know, engagement. And this dialogue, and there’s even Lee even kind of refer to themselves as their own community, like on Twitter as like med, Twitter and med Twitter. I actually yeah, hashtag better than that Twitter. Hashtag meant Twitter. Okay. Yeah. So there’s kind of this been this huge influx of people sharing their thoughts and opinions are planted to on different really different anything like research topics, medical conditions, advocacy, and you know, what I must say, what I’ve noticed is a lot even Tick tock, there’s a lot of different health care providers and medical students on Tick tock, and I think it’s kind of allowing all these people in this kind of, you know, really stem heavy feel to be like creative, you know, giving them the space to do something that, you know, was considered unprofessionalism, not too long ago. So I think in that sense, it’s kind of changing the norms of of like social media engagement. You see a lot of people engaged in social media and kind of ROMs that they weren’t in before, though, what I’ve learned throughout the covid 19 pandemic, is that people still view the things you say the same as if they would hear it in clinic. So what you say in clinic versus what you see online is still viewed and regarded with the same trust, if that makes sense. understandable, before there was much evidence about COVID-19 people were kind of online saying, Well, you know, you know, the flu kills X amount of people in a year, you know, like, you should be more concerned about that. But that was viewed with, I feel like that those statements were viewed with the same kind of trust as if they were viewed in clinic. And then once you saw it very quickly after that was, this is not the same as the flu. Correct.
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It was interesting. There was something I saw on Twitter when people were saying, you know, three times as deadly. And a tweet said, if I gave you a bag of Skittles, 100 Skittles, and I told you three of these Skittles can kill you, would you take the risk and still eat the bag? Oh, wow. We live in the world. We live in Skittles. For real now. Just it’s interesting, because I’ve also in this pandemic, been on Twitter, much more than any other year of my life. And it was interesting people making analogies that everyone could understand, you know, Jamison, he’s four years old, he loves Skittles love candy, that analogy he can understand, you know,
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and I think that’s the that’s the that’s a beautiful side of it, like engaging and engaging communities, engaging people who are really removed, almost like from the healthcare environment, because everyone’s on Twitter, but not everyone goes to the doctor. Exactly. And I think there’s a lot, there’s a lot more. There’s a lot of change, kind of leading towards online medicine and telehealth. And I would not be surprised that if, in 20 years, people are using Twitter as a means to get connected or to find physicians online. And if not Twitter, or some other social media platforms,
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that would actually don’t actually be interesting if there was a social media platform where doctors could just like go and well weapon D exist, but you can’t talk to them. If there was like a social media platform. Well, I guess that is what teladoc sar, but then again, you gotta like schedule an appointment like in advance, but I was really just thinking because I definitely had a teladoc appointment sent COVID started and it’s interesting because you know, before COVID we would generally go in person, you know, 100% of the time and it’s interesting. Do you think that even after COVID that teladoc appointments will be as readily available for sale. And appointments that don’t require going into the office.
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I think so for sure. And I think that there’s a lot of capabilities within telemedicine to speed up clinical care, I think the pandemic has really hastened and like built up the infrastructure for telemedicine in just in hospitals and clinics. I think before the telemedicine software that was used initially was like, you know, all these complex systems, where even people would have to go to an office to like engage in telemedicine or go to another clinic to like visit a provider that was miles and miles away, it was a lot more focused and based in, you know, rural, rural, like areas getting connected to like large academic centers in urban city environments. But now we see, you know, these telehealth appointment over zoom. And I think that not everything warrants a visit to the clinic or the hospital, sometimes just a follow up just to make sure things are going well. And I think now that we’ve kind of built up this infrastructure and the resources to have people engaged in telemedicine, I can imagine it like really, like, you know, picking up clinical care, because not like a lot of times a missed appointment are because people just don’t have the bandwidth. They like they have no one to look over their child or they can’t take time off work. But I think being at work and being able to take 30 minutes, you know, off to just do a quick visit just to you know, zoom, like a rash you have or to show that, you know, things are, you know, improving or doing better, I can really speed up care, but I am cautious, you know, over an over reliance or dependence on telemedicine can really exclude people who don’t have high speed internet, or smartphones or computers to really like engage in like zoom. I think at first when clinics went 100% virtual at different like sites in the nation. There was a lot of people who just didn’t have the information infrastructure or the money to like engage in telemedicine and sometimes I would think like, is this is this delaying their care? Is this causing them more time waited before they can get treatment?
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Yeah, that’s valid because not everyone has access to internet or even if they do, the quality across the board is not the same. So it definitely would seem that yes, adopting telehealth appointment availability is necessary was necessary for the circumstances that are present. But also understanding that there does need to be a mixed approach and not 100% this or 100% that but having the structures in place for there to be the option to have a tele appointment, but not solely relying on them.
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Yeah, exactly. You hit on the nail. Yeah, I mean, I like my job, but have you ever have you had an appointment? Yeah, I have. And I mean, for like different, like problems I’m facing like a lot of times, it’s always sided. A lot of times it’s like, well, I’m not feeling I’m not feeling the problem. I was feeling when I go to the doctor’s office. I’m just like, great. I can’t just done this over the bus.
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Oh, that’s definitely true. That actually, um, okay, so not the same exact case. But this always happens with my mother and so our vet like our literally our lifelong vet, she recently retired, but the dogs would be having a problem and then yeah, we take them to the vet, and they wouldn’t have the problem anymore. That wouldn’t be as severe and this this was and you know, we’ve we’ve had a few dogs over the years and yeah, my mom would be like, trust me I’m not lying or what’s that thing much 1000s or whatever we’re like moms make their children sick on purpose to get attention. She was like, I don’t have this that no one ever accused her but she was just you know, saying cuz it kept happening like different dogs like a problem will pop up. So I definitely understand where you’re coming from where you’re like, Okay, I feel like something’s off something’s wrong, I need to make an appointment. But then by the time you schedule your appointment, and you actually go in, it’s like, okay, what’s not as bad But hey, I’m here because I made the appointment.
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And as our generation gets older and gets our, you know, long awaited health issues, like I think we’ll be a lot more adapt them using different technologies to communicate.
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That is the hope that is the hope that future does look bright, and with people like you and they feel I know that we’ll be able to accomplish all of our goals. shucks, that because that depended on me though. Okay, you know what I mean? It’s not dependent on you but just saying people like you actually care who follow through who support other people. You are a part of a cloth that I want to hold on dearly to. I love you so much.
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Well, I’m stuck to you like the gum on your shoe. I go nowhere. You know,
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I have not actually heard that phrase, but it does make sense. I might want to mattify septon gum when they were old shoes. The point is this is the point in the show where I asked you are the people listening I know we’ve talked about a lot of things but for your takeaway points, what do you want the listeners to remember the most? You know, there’s so many socio economic disparities for people of color
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out there, but they’re not going to go away overnight. And I really commend as black folk and people of color working to, you know, rectify those issues every day. So I just really encouraged you know, y’all to find your happiness and never lose sight of your interest and find those mentors to make your dreams you know, reality.
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Thank you JoJo, I am so appreciative that we were able to have conversation today. Thank you so much for being a guest on as Tea with Kea. And I really think that people who are in your shoes, people who want to be in your shoes or even other people of color who you know may not be interested in the medical field but understand what issues we face. I really think we’ll definitely be able to get so much out of what we discussed today.
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I love you JoJo. Thanks for listening to this episode of Tea With Kea.
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